this latest update
i am dying

Oh wow.
I am dying here.
Dave mutherfukin strider everyone.
Master manipulator.

>thats the spooky thing about penis ouija you can never be sure who did the dicks
That sounds like the sort of thing that might be said in #rubyquest.

> Karkat fails to fall into quadrants with females.

> Karkat instead falls into quadrants with males.

>>20757
>Somehow, this surprises the fans.

>>20759
>this kills the crab

>>20761
>Hello, I'm DeceasedCrab!
>Let's Play Sburb

>>20762
Huzzah!

>>20763
DeceasedCrab, Page of Piss
BillyMc, Knight of Light
ElectricBeast, Seer of Heart
Dunno who should be number 4

>>20765
Chuggaaconroy, Prince of Taste

as long as BillyMc is the leader, I'm fine with that.

totally saw that coming

I think it's telling that I don't care if self-insert Hussie lives or dies.

Well, he's dead. But uh... if he is god-tier then that wasn't a just or heroic death so he'll be back.

depends if he was still thinking about getting ms paint. if so then it's heroic because he died trying to save someone.

More importantly, it seems Umbra wears a suit.

A very Felt-like suit.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OH MY GOD

I know that it shouldn't, but even now Homestuck can draw a "what the fuck was that" from me.

what the hell was that

Goddamn it Hussie.

What the..

Oh, Hussie. You magnificent bastard.

We now return you to your regular freak-out session.

FUCK OH GOD IT WAS ALL TROLL BLOOD AND HE WANTS TO BE A GUIDE AND IT'S JUST ENOUGH DEAD TROLLS FOR THE FOUR OF THEM COUNTING GAMZEE AND OH MY

people wanted vriska back, they got her.

Or not!

What they got was this abomination: The Tavriska-sprite

>>20962

and then it exploded.

And here I thought it was just an April fool's joke.

Looks like Hussie self inserted himself as creepy stalker.

>>20970
Things that are jokes can also be real. And in Homestuck they always are.

...aaaaaand we just got the bad news. I suppose Sburb doesn't take kindly to loopholes.

>>20991

What are you on about?

>>20995
We had previously learned that the alpha session was a "void session", which meant that the Reckoning wouldn't occur, which meant that Earth wouldn't have to get bombarded by meteors to preserve the timeilne. Rose had hoped that they could replace the aborted Skaia with their own, healthy Skaia, allowing them to win the game without killing off the host species as a consequence.

But now we know that humanity dies out anyway due to the Condesce's evil overlording. So that bit of hope, sadly, didn't work out.

>>20998
I thought the point was to, you know, be able to win the game to begin with.

^ In what way do you believe you are correcting me?

>>21001
Killing off the host species was never really a relevant part of the scenario. The scheme was for the sake of winning, nobody ever thought too hard about the effect on the host species.

>>20998

Man, the Condesce tried her best, but humans are just too squishy you know? I see your point.

>>21003
it wasn't being squishy,it was giving babies to giant monsters and hoping they would just raise them. she wanted her old empire back so hard she refused to just have a new one.

>>21002
Every component of that statement was the truth.

It is true that the session would not include a Reckoning.
It is true that the lack of a Reckoning would, hypothetically, mean that the host planet could potentially survive.
It is true that they could still "win" by replacing that session's Skaia with their own.
It is true that Rose stated all of this directly in her talk with Dave.
It is true that, despite Rose's hopes, humanity did not survive in the alpha universe.

I don't see how your statement corrects anything I said. I never claimed that saving humanity was the main reason they caused the Scratch, just that it would happen. Unless you're claiming that Rose was indifferent to the survival of the human race and only brought it up incidentally, which is highly only out-of-character and not supported by anything.

...You know, it's very frustrating to have to guess what people think I'm saying.

>>21006
You said:
>Rose had hoped that they could replace the aborted Skaia with their own, healthy Skaia, allowing them to win the game without killing off the host species as a consequence.
implying that that by your perception the intent of the endeavor was to win specifically without killing off the host species, rather than simply to win in general. This statement, as written, isn't about winning but only about the side effects of winning.

The next person said:
>I thought the point was to, you know, be able to win the game to begin with.
In other words, that your specific caveat (not killing the host species), whether it's what you meant or not, was not the main or primary motivation for the action (the scratch) which you describe it as the motivation for.

Then I came in and attempted to clarify but I apparently misdiagnosed the source of the communications breakdown, that being that what you said wasn't what you meant.
All the statements you list in your post here are true, but the conclusion which you implied with your previous post (The saving of the race is the primary motivation/reason for the scratch) is faulty. Also you shouldn't have to guess. Assuming your autism is at a reasonably manageable level it should be trivial to just reread your post and see what you actually said.

>>21007
I said:
>Rose had hoped that they could replace the aborted Skaia with their own, healthy Skaia,

I also said:
>allowing them to win the game without killing off the host species as a consequence.

I admit that the way I phrased it was unclear and could be interpreted as saying the latter was the real motivation, but that wasn't my intention.

>Then I came in and attempted to clarify
Actually, you said this:
>Killing off the host species was never really a relevant part of the scenario.
Which is untrue, as the death of the host species is part of the scenario, in the sense that Rose mentioned that it could be avoided, as I proceeded to point out. It wasn't her explicit goal, but you said it wasn't relevant, not that it wasn't intentional.

>what you said wasn't what you meant.
>All the statements you list in your post here are true, but the conclusion which you implied with your previous post
You are making two contradictory claims here. The first is that I had unambiguously stated something that was untrue, but was not what I meant. The second is that I had not stated something untrue, but my phrasing was ambiguous enough to imply it. The latter claim is the truth; that is the reason I couldn't "just read" what I wrote and know how he interpreted it and how it differed from what I actually meant.

Man I would do anything to have the sbahj experience.

>>21010
Which apparently involves defrauding customers at random.

Sometimes it seems like Dave is just using "irony" as an excuse to be a jackass.

>>21010

I downloaded Sbahj the moivive. It gave my hard drive 11GB more space. :O

>>21008
>It wasn't her explicit goal, but you said it wasn't relevant, not that it wasn't intentional.
It was not relevant to the decision, which you implied that it was.

>You are making two contradictory claims here.
Nope. The implication was totally concrete and unambiguous, This is pretty clearly apparent since everyone besides yourself (who is biased since you knew what you meant) read the same thing from it.

>>21024
Okay, I'll accept your criticism.

For the record, the reason I was so defensive before was because you were treating me like I was somehow less than a person because of my communication mishap. That sort of thing tends to make me uncomfortable.

>>21025
I apologize if I seemed unnecessarily rude.

>>21027
Thanks for that, then. Not enough people are willing to do that.

Oh hey a new update! Perfect excuse to change the subject.

So... it seems that the post-Scratch guardians were as badass as the pre-Scratch guardians. It's probably a standard feature, assuming their purpose is to guide the players' growth.

Random thought: Is a First Guardian the only form Doc Scratch can take, or can he be created through alternate means? For example, if a player puts Lil' Cal and the cueball in his kernelsprite, would that make a Scratchsprite? And would it hatch into a Lord English with sprite powers instead of First Guardian powers?

I kind of hope Lil Cal eventually redeems himself and fights his English incarnation somehow.

Calling it right now that UndyingUmbrage is Lord English.

>>21237
I don't think he is yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes English.
>uu described as so fanatic about games that it is complete and utter horror
>English has turned reality into a game rigged so that in the end he and he alone will always win

Uu is the person who kills whoever is the symbol that represents Zazzerpan from Guardian Rose's book series. Which could either be LE himself or the Batter Witch.

Zazzerpan is supposed to be one undefeatable son of a bitch, even against gods, so Uu likely kills Lord English through some elaborate scheme that represents a chess match, which likely involves all the kids who represents Calmisis disciples (there are twelve kids counting John, Rose, Dave, Jade, Karkat, Terezi, Kanaya and Gamzee. These eight are heading for the current session in which Uu is an influence) each of which shall be systematically killed by LE in some form because they are Uu's pawns. Whether this means permadeath or not is not predictable at this point.

Calmasis is an antagonist and anti-hero at the same time, so Uu is probably very much an enemy to our heroes as well, in fact s/he may have been pulling strings from the start of the story just like Scratch/LE has, but actually against LE in the first place.

As readers, we support Uu's pawns/disciples and hope they all make it out okay, which may mean rooting for LE eventually if Uu antagonizes them in any form that makes him worse than Lord English. This is all a game between Uu and LE, this entire story, which is probably why Andrew dressed as Rose's symbolical representation of Uu with troll horns. He's the author that made the story, so he's trying to portray that Uu has been pulling plenty of strings from the start as well.