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1081887 No. 1081887 ID: df47b5

We have something on the order of a week until this possible patron for my dungeon arrives for his tour, but we're making steady progress.

https://questden.org/wiki/Dungeoneer
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No. 1088817 ID: 580aa8

give mana storage to moriko
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No. 1088829 ID: d9776d

Hrm. Timeline messups. If we don’t want to be too confused let’s just go with Where’s Reisarf?
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No. 1088912 ID: d1e263
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1088912

>Because I don't know exactly what it's going to happen as a result of this choice, but it CAN'T be re-writing time, at least not permanently.
This is merely a crude patch. A little of what may have been jammed in with little thought of how it should have connected to the greater whole.

>Could the mana storage be transferred to Moriko to cancel out mana vacancy?
Her problem is that she is struggling with self definition, not a shortage of mana. This leaves her vulnerable to mana-based influences.

>Hrm. Timeline messups. If we don’t want to be too confused let’s just go with Where’s Reisarf?
>If there's no other option, revert as little as possible and go with the Where.
It feels it like lack courage, but I suppose what was most recent should be the most flexible in ontology. I just hope Reisarf doesn't cause another mess on the monster capturing expedition.

I grab the void and clamp it shut, bringing this to closure in the way I desire.

I blink as phantoms of memories try to settle on me. I feel muzzy headed.

I'd have had a quiet evening talking about golemetry with Merud that ran later into the night...
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No. 1088913 ID: d1e263
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1088913

The world ripples.

I feel the watery blood of my golem body congeal. My rocky coverings strain as clay expands. I feel ungainly. These fruit doting the place look tempting.

Argh, I finally broke that curse and it's come back?!

Oh. I see. I only changed my mind about breaking the curse after seeing what it had done to Reisarf. But if I sent Reisarf to capture some monsters, then I haven't seen Reisarf for days.

She did take my eggs with her though... I did say she could use them after the party.

Maybe I still need to be concerned...

>What is Reisarf? We just don't know.
Someone I need to give a stern talking to once she is back in the world of the living!

My left hand is burning from forcing the void to close. It's not in good condition but I've recovered my sword.

Moriko hits me with her hammer again.

"Stop that, Moriko!" I yell. "You don't want to do this!"

"I want to fight you again!" Moriko says. "I want you to see me like that again!"

"Aren't you my guardian, Moriko?" I ask.

She suddenly rocks with indecision.
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No. 1088914 ID: d1e263
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1088914

Stargazer's changing. I can feel her finally, her body straining against walls of the Thaumatorium.

The walls of Stargazer's interior bulge inward with whatever alien equivalent of lard Stargazer possesses and the ground becomes lumpy with similar protuberances.

Ah the eggs again. Stargazer would have been emulating my cursed form the whole time instead of just at the start.

I stare at her now greasier brain accusingly as she tosses sap bombs about seemingly at random. I didn't know a brain-stem could become obese but she's somehow managed it. This is very rude, mocking me like this Stargazer. I'm not that fat!

"Let fight this fathead together, Moriko!" I say.

"Mow!" the imp says.

"I... yes!" Moriko says.

Between the smaller space and the cluttered vines, it's getting hard to move. I finally realise this was probably Stargazer's plan all along, using her sap bombs to congest the arena, make the bomb flower patches spray bombs everywhere and regrow her vines. It's like fighting a hydra.

Moriko's broken free of Stargazer's control but is struggling to get to me. Hammering plants isn't working well. My flesh golem is down, and I've lost sight of the imp but keep hearing imp noises. I take some hits from sap bombs and they warp my legs and make my horns ungainly while around me the vines sprout more.

Thick vine arms fence me in.

Stargazer headbutts me.
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No. 1088915 ID: d1e263
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1088915

I ... lost?

The Resurrection Matrix has intervened and captured my Heart fragment and golem body. I don't particularly enjoy the feel of sinking in the border between life and death so I try to focus elsewhere.
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No. 1088916 ID: d1e263
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1088916

Reisarf hasn't resurrected yet. How lazy. I feel their spirit pooling within their statue. It shouldn't be much longer.

>If Reisarf wasn't on the expedition would that mean the spatial anomaly and void shard are still at the crags?
Most likely. Maybe. As I said, it's hardly a clean break.

Moriko's still fighting Stargazer. I feel tremors. Stone groans in my Thaumatorium. Wait, I've been defeated so that means Stargazer has just seized all the mana I had accumulated with my Verdant Image. I almost had enough for a dungeon spell!
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No. 1088917 ID: d1e263
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1088917

I sit up.

I've had enough! No more playing around!

Before Stargazer can attempt something stupid with that inrush of mana or try to break down my walls looking for Reisarf, I'm going to seal her up!

The horrific things she's done to her insides can stew a while within a Sealing Designation and I can safely tease apart this rickety framework of power she and Reisarf assembled later when everything isn't at boiling point.

Sealing is about separation, defining an inside and an outside. I can cut some things away from Stargazer before placing the seal. It'll weaken the seal if I try to take too much. There's some things I should cut away: Moriko, the imp, the stolen plants. The slimes might be fine in there but that's iffy. The winze is too deeply embedded. Perhaps I should should try to cut her capacity for bad ideas away too, but that's likely too embedded as well.

Next, I need a container to seal her into. I might try to seal her up in her own skin but that has the obvious problem she's occupying my entire Thaumatorium. Something more portable I have immediately at hand, or something that I can quickly make, or I could attempt to go a little more conceptual by imprinting something on her with the wizards I have available or my handful of Rote Spells.
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No. 1088918 ID: 06ecc3

Maybe you can seal the dungeony parts of her in something like a dollhouse for a portable dungeon, or like a fish tank.
The slimes should be taken out too. Maybe you can leave her eye poking out of the seal?
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No. 1088919 ID: 1effd3

>>1088917
Remember the wierd stomach thing that was moving eggs around and stuff behind that secret wall? cut that off as well. it'll hopefully stall any new mana she tries to generate
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No. 1088920 ID: a94f5d

>>1088917
Stargazer has already made a bunch of things you can cut away from her, heck they're event meant to become separated, the fruit!

And if you're in doubt as to how to store them, you can set them to ferment for a long time.
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No. 1088925 ID: 5fee00

Seal her into your golem body's belly, where you can keep an eye on things and get alerted as soon as they inevitably go wrong. You're already mimicking life via golemetry principles, whipping together this kind of storage is natural and basically trivial for someone of your skill.
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No. 1088929 ID: 5ebd37

>Something more portable I have immediately at hand
Well why not use Deem's tummy a golem? Something sort of like Doyle.

Wouldn't the plants fare better sealed away than the slimes? Shouldn't leave anyone behind.
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No. 1088937 ID: a7a180

A terrarium seems like an appropriate sealing vessel for Stargazer's little garden of horrors. Will her having all that mana in quarantine be dangerous? Will she still be in this state when your patron arrives for his tour?
Hopefully you have enough mana after that sealing to fix this curse again. You know how things were supposed to go... will anyone else remember?
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No. 1088966 ID: a4d918

>>1088929
A stargazer sealing-mech she can move around or you can take over sounds excellent. A walking time-out-cage. It could even function as a miniboss!
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No. 1089008 ID: 273c18

You can easily use Sculpted Simulacrum to make a golem body made in her image, and seal her in that. Very good conceptual fit!
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No. 1089010 ID: 5a489c

>>1089008
the mental image of this with a crude sign hung on it saying something to the effect of "I have been a very naughty staff" is absolutely sending me
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No. 1089024 ID: 486840

>>1088917
Is there a suitable fruit, or gourd you could seal her in? That would fit the worm metaphor. Maybe hang it on a hook as well, just to drive the point home.
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No. 1089104 ID: 374cf5
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1089104

>The slimes should be taken out too. Maybe you can leave her eye poking out of the seal?
>Remember the weird stomach thing that was moving eggs around and stuff behind that secret wall? Cut that off as well. It'll hopefully stall any new mana she tries to generate.
>Stargazer has already made a bunch of things you can cut away from her, heck they're even meant to become separated, the fruit! And if you're in doubt as to how to store them, you can set them to ferment for a long time.
Good points, I will take all those things. And focusing on the fruits rather than the entire plants should mean very little effect on the strength of the Sealing Designation.

I'll try to give Stargazer some awareness of the outside world. I'm not a monster!

My attendant golem breaks open Reisarf's statue shell and pulls out my alienist. He is still wearing the slime outfit I made him because paradoxes are stupid.

"Oh hello Deem. I'm so confused." Reisarf says, holding his head. "I was here, but I was out catching frogs?"

"You attempted to wipe yourself from existence." I say. "Feel lucky you're only confused! With every time you and Stargazer activated that Potential Void and cycled more and more mana through yourselves, you expanded your potential to do something drastic. What do you think happens when something mortal attempts to encompass boundlessness?"

"Something amazing." Reisarf says breathlessly.

"No!" I shout. "Events unravel to protect you from your own stupid self!"

"Oh but that's amazing..." Reisarf mumbles.

I stare at him. Reisarf shuts up and looks at his feet.

>Hopefully you have enough mana after that sealing to fix this curse again. You know how things were supposed to go... will anyone else remember?
I've shed that curse through sheer resentment.

There's another tremor, I chivvy Reisarf to the Thaumatorium.
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No. 1089105 ID: 374cf5
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1089105

The entrance is blocked by orange blubber.

"Hmmmph, I'd hoped to really impress on you what your nonsense has done, but this will have to do." I say to Reisarf. "You two have gone too far this time." I give Stargazer an accusing poke.

The giant maggot occupying too much of my dungeon doesn't react, as busy as she probably is trying to headbutt my valiant hammerai with her fat head.

>Is there a suitable fruit, or gourd you could seal her in? That would fit the worm metaphor. Maybe hang it on a hook as well, just to drive the point home.
As the overlapple is bigger on the inside it would be particularly appropriate for such things. I don't think I want something that might spoil though, especially seeing the corruption affecting her body.

>A terrarium seems like an appropriate sealing vessel for Stargazer's little garden of horrors.
>Maybe you can seal the dungeony parts of her in something like a dollhouse for a portable dungeon, or like a fish tank.
I barely have any glass unfortunately!

>Seal her into your golem body's belly, where you can keep an eye on things and get alerted as soon as they inevitably go wrong. You're already mimicking life via golemetry principles, whipping together this kind of storage is natural and basically trivial for someone of your skill.
>Well why not use Deem's tummy a golem? Something sort of like Doyle.
True, I don't want that eyeball doing anything out from under my sight. And moving her from inside my self to inside myself has a convenient adjacency. If she's going to try to imitate my work then I'll give her a chance to follow me around and be a properly diligent student!

Although I suspect you suggested this for some perverse reason. This will not go how you wish.

>Will her having all that mana in quarantine be dangerous?
Perhaps. It can't do much but stew internally though. With this sealing option, she can transfer the mana to me if she's feeling cooperative due to her talent as a Mana Battery.

>You can easily use Sculpted Simulacrum to make a golem body made in her image, and seal her in that. Very good conceptual fit!
I don't want to risk creating a second giant monster in my already overcrowded dungeon. I can allow her access to the puppet-homunculus I used while travelling though.

"Here's what we're going to do. I'm going to seal Stargazer up inside me before this gets any worse. I'm going to let her possess this golem -" my puppet golem waves. "- to help avoid her being too isolated. I want you to stay with it. Try to make Stargazer comfortable. She will be disorientated. Can do you that?"

Reisarf nods.

With Reisarf out from under foot, I focus my dungeon's power with my golem as a focal point and squeeze my grip around Stargazer.
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No. 1089106 ID: 374cf5
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1089106

You should never have touched that gross thing Stargazer. It's no good for you. It will drag you down with it.

Time, and distance, will save you.

I will separate you from what you have taken, to lighten your load.

I cut so my stolen denizens can spill out.

I cut to reap the harvest she has sown.

I cut a third time to rid Stargazer of distorted images.

I wrap her up in my power, and then I swallow her down.
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No. 1089107 ID: 374cf5
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1089107

I blink, disoriented. How long has it been? Not long I think. Reisarf and my puppet golem are back, the former nervous and the latter moving awkwardly and looking very unhappy to be here. Something is...

Ah yes of course Stargazer would assume the form of my nightmares.

>Will she still be in this state when your patron arrives for his tour?
It could take a month or more for things to settle down to the point I can safely untangle them.

I feel Moriko and the imp are stirring in the Thaumatorium. I restrain from peeking inside. I need to take a firm but fair hand with them and I just know seeing the state of it will make me irrationally angry.

I need to discipline these two! They need to be punished, and we need to set ground rules so this doesn't happen again. How should I handle them, and what is an appropriate punishment to make sure they are properly ashamed?

>The mental image of this with a crude sign hung on it saying something to the effect of "I have been a very naughty staff" is absolutely sending me
Yes, like this!
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No. 1089108 ID: 1effd3

>>1089107
No more trying to break reality without permission! This is the consequences of your actions, you can't properly fulfil your roles as staff and mage now!
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No. 1089109 ID: 85a0df

>>1089108
Also almost wiping Reisarf from existance. Stargazer would have been sad if you hadnt fixed that
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No. 1089110 ID: 99f29a

It's okay Deem, we still love you even if there's a taller you around now. I promise to only scheme to serve a new, better, master one-fourth of the time at most.

Put a tall cone around their necks, the same way you would prevent a dim-witted pet from chewing or scratching at things they shouldn't.
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No. 1089112 ID: 619ac8

>>1089108
Oh I think she’ll make a pretty good staff still. Reisarf could probably even swing her around if he gets all big and crystalline again.

Give Reisarf the worst punishment of all: an intervention where everyone tells them they’re too valuable and respected by their friends to throw themselves down a mana black hole.
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No. 1089114 ID: 2409f2

Make Reisarf etch in stone "I will not break causality" 100 times.

For Stargazer... well, we should probably look at what that shard of corruption was, where it came from. If she willfully took a devils bargain for the power to challenge you, that requires more than a slap on the wrist.

I think, Deem, at some point you should take a moment to stop and consider perhaps what residual effects this may have as well. Is your arm still corrupted? When you were sinking into death (and you have a very attractive soul, by the way) there was a conspicuous asymmetry on the sky magic sealings, that perhaps coincided with the corruption you felt when you crushed the reality hole in your hand.

I know you're not supposed to talk about it, but maybe think about what's changed?
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No. 1089116 ID: 3a9fbe

>"Oh but that's amazing..." Reisarf mumbles.
The world is full of amazing things Reisarf, is it worth dying to see just one of them? He needs self discipline or he's going to burn out and miss a lot.

As for Stargazer, if she wants to prove her capabilities this is the wrong way to go about it. Punish her with a long lecture on how her ideas could have worked if she had just taken it slow and discussed it with you beforehand.
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No. 1089122 ID: e1a09b

>>1089107
I'm all for the shame-sign for giggles, but a long lecture is probably the best when you get serious. Make it interminable, boring, but if they ever lose interest, snap them back to attention with some... unpleasant thing you can do. I'm sure you have some idea. Need to nip this particular tendency in the bud before it gets worse, before they take some other shortcut and delete, I dunno, a whole city, or something.
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No. 1089127 ID: 12b116

>>1089114
Make him etch it on a random wall in the dungeon to confuse adventurers and make them overthink things to set them up for an ambush
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No. 1089128 ID: e1a09b

>>1089127
lets be honest a room full of crazy can have a lot of impact, might as well use this to improve things a little.
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No. 1089134 ID: eb0a9c

Hammer in the fact that reality itself was willing to cause a time paradox before it would endure a Votential Poid infinite mana exploit. That's @#$%ing serious. Does she realize how few universes would tolerate a time paradox, to the point they would commit suicide the moment they experienced one?! And that this magical universe thinks the PV is even worse?!

Threaten to take Reisarf's boobs and temporarily give them to someone else, that's how bad they screwed up.

>Stargazer as teen Deem
That's actually Stargazer re-living a Magical Girl nightmare she had. It's complicated.
I like it. In fact, Stargazer's punishment is that she has to listen to us headvoices again.
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No. 1089140 ID: 273c18

>>1089106
The Winze is only a finger? I wonder where the rest of it is. Uh. Wait, you swallowed all that, and then bound Stargazer in the golem. I don't se the Winze in the golem. Where is it now?

>>1089107
Tell Stargazer she can keep that pilfered mana for now, but you will expect it to be returned in time. Her holding it means it won't leak, so it's saving you mana overall. You'll want it back once you've gained some in your main storage, enough that you'll be able to USE the mana when you retrieve it.

Definitely put that sign on Stargazer. For Reisarf, tell her that she's forbidden from using the Potential Void for a week, and all magical experiments the two of them do will have to be approved by a third party from now on. They have lost your trust.

Then the interrogation can begin. WHERE did they get the Winze? When and how did it spiral out of control? They should know their limits.
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No. 1089142 ID: a7a180

So the goal of the punishment should be to teach Reisarf (and Stargazer!) better risk assessment and safety practices. Not to pay them back for making a mess. They did accomplish a lot of good things! And then tried something incredibly dangerous.
-So, for starters: no more experiments until Stargazer's unsealed. Until then, Reisarf will be tasked with the cleanup and organization of the magical workshops, under close supervision. There will be no magical shortcuts taken along the way, stick to the basics.
-While he's being supervised, Deem can teach them by rote a framework for experiments: proposing ideas to her, hypothesizing expected outcomes - at least trying to predict something, anyway- and preparing appropriate safety precautions before they start. Get it in their head that to get to the fun part, you have to follow this formula - like drawing a circle over and over to develop a reflex, you need to start with the fundamentals.
-Impress on Reisarf that if he goes deeper into the abyss next time, Deem will not be able to pull him back out. You are responsible for guiding them down this path, and it's your job to make sure they don’t fall off the ledge. Using himself as a test subject is not an excuse to ignore safety. When considering the wellbeing of other people, he should remember: Other people care what happens to him - particularly Stargazer!
-Once the safety procedures are drilled into them, Deem will teach them a ritual spell, the lowest cost dungeon magic she can find, something within mortal grasp. That's the carrot to the stick - all of this setup is in service of performing more advanced research.
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No. 1089147 ID: 486840

>>1089107
I agree that really drilling into them how bad and dangerous and irresponsible what they were doing was, In fact should probably forbid them from doing ANYTHING until we're satisfied they get that.
They wanted to see something amzing, but was it worth being wiped out of existences for? was it worth getting ripped from each other? Was it worth taking us down with them? This has definitely harmed our ability to trust them, and they should be aware of it.
As far as more concrete punishment, I can only think putting some kind of restriction on them is the only effective thing that makes sense, magical or otherwise, maybe limiting what/how much magic they can use, assign them some boring routine task to perform for a period of time, thats useful to the dungeon, like carrying water or something.If we're lucky they might even learn something from this.
Reisarf just seems to be naive and reckless, but im not sure Stargazer doesnt have something against Deem personally, and this incident might just be a symptom of that, maybe its time to find out.

It's probably worth clarifying as well, does Stargazer still have (gristle)worms? you might want to ensure that doesnt get passed along to your golems.
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No. 1089148 ID: a320af

You know what? This all happened because Alkaline told Deem that she puts too much restrictions on Reisarf and Stargazer, so that resulted in Deem letting them do what they wanted, which resulted in this whole mess happening. Therfore, Alkaline is unintentionally responsible for this happening. However, we can't punish her because she had no idea this was going to happen.

So what we should do is tell Alkaline what happened. Let her know that allowing Reisarf and Stargazer to do what they wanted resulted in them almost erasing themselves from reality. Emphasize that we put restrictions on what they do for their safety and the safety of everyone else because they always want to do dangerous things like this.

Hopefully by telling Deem's daughter about the danger we avoided, she'll understand how important certain restrictions are!
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No. 1089159 ID: 273c18

Oh, and regarding the Winze. From what's been implied, that's... part of a dead dungeon?
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No. 1089262 ID: e951ad

It may have been only because of your grace, but Stargazer as a dungeon *did* manage to defeat your lesser form. That's a laudable achievement!

After you get through punishing her, perhaps a small boon is in order?
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No. 1089264 ID: 260607

>>1089262
>After you get through punishing her, perhaps a small boon is in order?
Don't give them any rewards. That sends the wrong message and will make them think they're allowed to keep doing dangerous unsupervised experiments like this, as long as they manage to do things that will result in something Deem will end up liking.

They need to be punished so that they can understand how stupid they were when they did this!
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No. 1089272 ID: 1effd3

Also: they aren't allowed to sleep together until Stargazer is ungolemed. It'd be... weird to let Reisarf sleep with a humanoid... he's too young for that!
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No. 1089273 ID: 273c18

>>1089262
I don't think we would have lost if Reisarf hadn't erased herself, forcing Deem to resolve the paradox and become cursed again as well as hurt her hand in the process.
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No. 1089277 ID: a7a180

>>1089264
Well we can't just keep punishing them forever. At some point the punishment ends and life goes back to whatever passes for normal.
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No. 1089293 ID: 2409f2

We haven't punished them at all yet, I don't think I've read anything that would remotely get through to Stargazer suggested.

This is the hard part, half us will always coddle, half of us will make jokes, there'll be a few encouraging the lewd solution.

Sometimes an obvious solution will be suggested but punishment? For an eldritch being like Stargazer no less?

...

Separate them. Keep them apart until they've both learned their lessons. To these two who spend all their time together, as each other's constant companions, that will be a meaningful punishment.
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No. 1089296 ID: e97e06

>>1089277
I never said to punish them forever.

And we haven't even started their punishment yet! It needs to start and be in effect for a while before it can come to an end!
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No. 1089305 ID: 5b2941

>>1089293
Agreed. This is the only way.

>>1089262
Can we not? Ambiguity won't help any here.
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No. 1089306 ID: 273c18

Oh right, the paradox also removed the simulacrum golem Deem had made, which was important for keeping the boss suppressed. So if it weren't for the paradox I think we could've won.
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No. 1089326 ID: a7a180

>>1089296
Well they didn't say to give them the boon first, either. Obviously the punishment comes first.
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No. 1089353 ID: a172c6

>>1089326
And the boon never comes.
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No. 1089357 ID: 2409f2

As it should be, they fucked up, this is not a victory. Hell, Stargazer and Reisarf squared up against each other during that. Things are changed by this.

It dawns on me, Deem, that Stargazer once saved you from a curse over your mind. Perhaps, before any punishment is given, a brief heart to heart in whatever way you can manage might be appropriate.
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No. 1089437 ID: 49c7e2
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1089437

>The Winze is only a finger? I wonder where the rest of it is. Uh. Wait, you swallowed all that, and then bound Stargazer in the golem.
>Also: they aren't allowed to sleep together until Stargazer is ungolemed.
Stargazer's in here, dummies.

The Winze is sealed up within Stargazer. I have graciously allowed her access to my puppet-golem so that she will have some options to interact with my other denizens while sealed up.

>Oh, and regarding the Winze. From what's been implied, that's... part of a dead dungeon?
I don't want to think about that gross thing. We don't have to worry about it for now.

>It'd be... weird to let Reisarf sleep with a humanoid... he's too young for that!
They are both (idiot) adults. As long as it's not more experiments, whatever they do on their own stupid time is their own stupid business!

>If it weren't for the paradox I think we could've won.
There's no sense in dwelling on what might have been.

>After you get through punishing her, perhaps a small boon is in order?
Absolutely not.

>This all happened because Alkaline told Deem that she puts too much restrictions on Reisarf and Stargazer.
>However, we can't punish her because she had no idea this was going to happen.
I'm not going to punish someone because I followed their advance and it went badly.

>So what we should do is tell Alkaline what happened.
And saying "I told you so" is never going to be well received.

>Hopefully by telling Deem's daughter about the danger we avoided, she'll understand how important certain restrictions are!
As I have already had to say far too many times, she is not my daughter.

>When you were sinking into death (and you have a very attractive soul, by the way) there was a conspicuous asymmetry on the sky magic seal-
What sky magic!? That's not -

- broke it before - nightmare?

Don't you remember..?

I -

...

. . .

>Make Reisarf etch in stone "I will not break causality" 100 times.
>Make him etch it on a random wall in the dungeon to confuse adventurers and make them overthink things to set them up for an ambush
I would prefer any labours for their punishment to be something more useful.

>Hammer in the fact that reality itself was willing to cause a time paradox before it would endure a Votential Poid infinite mana exploit.
If they'd kept experimenting and cycling mana at a lower level, they'd have been fine. Reisarf's reach exceeded his grasp. Rather than let the dangerous possibilities he'd been mining spill out, things unravelled. The Potential Void seem to be gone entirely too.

>WHERE did they get the Winze? When and how did it spiral out of control? They should know their limits.
The problem is they're confused too. I was correct in how it started: they were trying to make a special incubator for new plants hybridised with Reisarf's Matter Virus.
Stargazer used her body to suck up the remaining Green Thumb spores, and Reisarf was sustaining the plant symbiosis spell on Stargazer. Between Alkaline's slimes, the spores and the sap bombs, they quickly established a flourishing garden, that further strengthened Stargazer due to her symbiosis with the sap-bomb vine. Trying all these new things consumed a lot of mana but they were able to recoup it with the Potential Void, which tempted them to push further again.

They were looking for something that could help Stargazer manage the explosion in complexity and found the Winze. They summoned it out of the dark, or perhaps somehow it was drawn to me. Was it disturbed by me Churning the Earth or perhaps it had been floating lost in the spatial void? About this time Reisarf had gone into a trance to help manage the graden and ended up crystallising. Stargazer tried to connect to the Winze to better shape the nascent dungeon the two were forming, but then the corruption appeared.

In short, some reasonable first steps but then an unwillingness to step away until things were completely out of control and they couldn't stop.

I sigh.

"What were you hoping to achieve?" I say.

"I wanted to impress you and impress Stargazer!" Reisarf says. "I thought it was really interesting..."

"And what about her?" I say. "Why didn't you know any better, Stargazer?"

Stargazer is inspecting the ceiling.

"Stargazer wanted to see a miracle." Reisarf explains on her behalf.

"A miracle." I say.

"Something outside understanding." Reisarf nods.

>No more trying to break reality without permission!
I sigh heavily. "First off, no more trying to break reality without permission."

>They wanted to see something amazing, but was it worth being wiped out of existences for? was it worth getting ripped from each other? Was it worth taking us down with them? This has definitely harmed our ability to trust them, and they should be aware of it.
>Give Reisarf the worst punishment of all: an intervention where everyone tells them they’re too valuable and respected by their friends to throw themselves down a mana black hole.
I'll have the others drop by and talk to them about this.

"What if you'd disappeared?" I say to Reisarf. "What if Stargazer had gotten hurt? How'd you feel if that had happened? How do you think Stargazer would feel? What about all the rest of us?"

"I didn't think." Reisarf says, shame-faced.

"To make sure you do think in the future, I'm going to punish both of you. This could have ended very badly for everyone!"

>This is the consequences of your actions, you can't properly fulfil your roles as staff and mage now!
Stargazer looks aghast at this revelation.

>Threaten to take Reisarf's boobs and temporarily give them to someone else, that's how bad they screwed up.
"First, I'm going to take your female form's chest and give it to someone else!"

"Oh no!" Reisarf says. "Please, I'll do better!"

I clear my throat. "That was a joke Reisarf."

For some reason this got me a glare from Stargazer too.

>Separate them. Keep them apart until they've both learned their lessons. To these two who spend all their time together, as each other's constant companions, that will be a meaningful punishment.
"No, what we'll really do is you two will be spending your days apart."

"Haha, you're still being funny Deem?" Reisarf says.

I shake my head.

Reisarf looks blank. Stargazer shuffles closer to him.

>No more experiments until Stargazer's unsealed. Until then, Reisarf will be tasked with the cleanup and organization of the magical workshops, under close supervision. There will be no magical shortcuts taken along the way, stick to the basics.
>Deem can teach them by rote a framework for experiments: proposing ideas to her, hypothesizing expected outcomes - at least trying to predict something, anyway- and preparing appropriate safety precautions before they start.
>The goal of the punishment should be to teach Reisarf (and Stargazer!) better risk assessment and safety practices. Not to pay them back for making a mess. They did accomplish a lot of good things! And then tried something incredibly dangerous.
>Once the safety procedures are drilled into them, Deem will teach them a ritual spell, the lowest cost dungeon magic she can find, something within mortal grasp. That's the carrot to the stick.
I explain they'll be labouring to maintain the dungeon, but they will not carry out any experiments until I am convinced they are ready to do so safely. I will spend time tutoring both of them in the areas of their interest, and how to actually assess danger. No more experiments until Stargazer is unsealed at the earliest.
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>As for Stargazer, if she wants to prove her capabilities this is the wrong way to go about it. Punish her with a long lecture on how her ideas could have worked if she had just taken it slow and discussed it with you beforehand.
Stargazer doesn't seem to be paying attention to my lecture. If I'm being generous, perhaps Stargazer is struggling to follow this extended conversation. If I'm being less so, she should be making the effort anyway.

>It dawns on me, Deem, that Stargazer once saved you from a curse over your mind. Perhaps, before any punishment is given, a brief heart to heart in whatever way you can manage might be appropriate.
I grab the golem that is housing Stargazer's perception and twist her ear.

"Hello Stargazer, am I boring you?! Here is an anatomy lesson! These are called ears! I can see you're upset about your current condition but as it is a marginally better solution than beating your head in with a hammer, it would please me if you would make use of them!"

I take a deep breath. I'm still angrier than I realised about this.

"Because I have been remiss as a teacher, and you have been so eager to educate yourselves, let me tell you both a secret." I say icily.

"In all the long, weary years I have to my name, I have never seen what you would call a miracle. I have seen great deeds, but they have all come at great cost. What makes you so arrogantly and destructively brave to think you might be the ones to see it?"

"Great fortune exists. So too does intervention by a benevolent power. But what you seek is complete contradiction of physical law. Something that can never be understood by anyone, simply something that had to happen despite its own impossibility. In moments when we have no other way out there is the hunger for a miracle; the hope that somehow tragedy can be averted. But because miracles are impossible, we find lesser alternatives. Imitations. Or we sharpen our swords and seek revenge as a balm for a wounded soul because the impossible did not manifest to avert our tragedy.

"Humans seek knowledge of how the world works, they call on higher powers that might aid them in times of need and they seek strength. The arts of necromancy and golemetry were gifted to them in the attempt to defeat death and create new life. To the ignorant soul, you have many things now that appear miraculous. Without that drive, perhaps you'd still be living in caves.

"But the divide between what can be learned, what can achieved by anyone's effort, and what you have defined as a miracle is infinite. Here is your own tragedy: You can sift through all the possibilities and probabilities you like and you will never find a miracle."

Stargazer curls up.

"But Deem," Reisarf says, looking pale. "You know so much, I know. But don't you listen to other's voices because you hope you're wrong? Because don't you wish to do things differently from how they've gone before? Don't you want things to defy your expectations?"

"..."

I don't have an answer to that.
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Reisarf is looking paler still. He clutches his head. "Ooh Deem, I can't- I don't remember what happened?" he swallows. An edge of desperation enters his voice. "What'd I do on the trip? You said... um, you said I could experiment on the frogs, so I was going to see if I could make Matter Virus blend stuff into living things without killing them?" He winces again. "But you remember that self-splitting spell I almost learned? Alkaline and I talked - didn't we? - and I thought maybe I could learn something like that spell to split her up along with the curses so she could break them down? What'd I do?" he babbles. "I don't know what I did?"

Stargazer is staring at me. I'm unable to decipher her expression.

"Don't look at me like that!" I snap at her. "This is your fault for being so weak willed that you were intoxicated by dangerous magic and thought you could do whatever you want. And my fault for being so pathetic I couldn't fully shield your idiot boy from the consequences of his actions."

Let me further straighten Reisarf's confused chronology out.

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Paradoxed losT?? &Bilities
--------------~--------==---------------
Volatilised Biology: While female, Reisarf's bo[)y is a secondary reserve of mana that is able to st()re a large amount of mana at the cost of some physical distortion. Such energetic forces have made her |v\ore physically capable but not particularly durable, with this effect scaling the more mana she has stockpiled.

Crystal Plague: Exces5 mana stored from Reisarf's Volatilised Biology accumulate as crystalline grow+hs. If Reisarf is highly crystallised, it wi|| affect her surroundings as well. The crystal is relatively fragile.

Perpetual Resonance: Reisarf's life reSor)ates with magic. A single spell that is cast on o|` kept near her can be sustained indef;nitely, though high power spells will cause strain. This might be able to scale to multiple spells with practice.

----------------=__---------------------
New Abi|i+y
-------------=---------------~----------
Trace Melding: Reisarf can perform an in-depth scan of a subject to reproduce a quirk of their biology as a Rote Spell or passive self-modification. Each trace is stored by allocating a chunk of Reisarf's mana to preserve it. Current traces are:
Frog Hop (Giant Frog): Fast activation spell to leap into the air. Can be activated in midair.
Mana Ogreload (Hin): Trace memory is organised in a self-reinforcing fashion. Reisarf gets a small physical boost based on the amount of mana reserved for traces. Additional mana can be allocated to this trace.
Goop Hand (Alkaline): Reisarf can use this spell to sheathe up to the entirety of one limb in protective slime. It's highly resistant to magic and moderately tough against physical damage.

?oR? OR OR?

UPDATED - Secondary Reisarf (Secondary Storage): Reisarf has a second Reisarf, whose magic use and general existence are fueled by the mana reserved in Secondary Storage. Their memories synchronise whenever they sleep.

--~-----------------==------------------

I am banning Reisarf from any spellcasting at all until Olan's visit.

He makes me feel so very tired.

I need to resolve this.
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No. 1089440 ID: 273c18

>>1089437
Oh, Stargazer is remotely controlling the golem, but is still imprisoned inside you. Gotcha.
>Don't you remember..?
Well, I do. You only broke part of it. 1/4th of it, by a surface examination. You can almost think about it now! Uh, word of warning, Deem. It took something drastic and hugely emotional to accomplish even that. I don't want to put you through that again just to break something that isn't actually getting in the way of anything we're trying to achieve right now.
Out of curiosity, how would one go about killing the sky?

>>1089439
Damn, there's this much wrong with her despite taking the LEAST disruptive option?
Also hold on, explain something to me. What exactly caused reality to reject Reisarf's spell? What was wrong with it?
Also it sounds like Reisarf is attached to being female now? Before, she seemed ambivalent about it.

>choose ability
I don't suppose we could lean into the paradox a little and get both?
I'm leaning towards Trace Melding. This looks like it has the best potential to make Reisarf into some kind of weird creature.
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No. 1089441 ID: eb0a9c

...Interesting.

Okay, try re-forging Reisarf's new ability into this:
Paradox Reisarf: Time travelers with benefits! Reisarf can now pull Echoes of herself from the multiverse by merging microsecond-long time slices of alternate-universe Reisarfs into a single average Reisarf. The theft is so seamless it's like missing a single bit from a 2TB program!
* Reisarf's casting efficiency is halved; when casting spells, s/he requires twice the spell slots and mana.
* Initial Effect: A flash clone of Reisarf, created from the magical runoff, is created nearby in a random viable area. Distance to Reisarf is logarithmically proportional to mana used. This clone is automatically enchanted with various spells based on the spell that Reisarf used; casting fireballs will cause the clone of Reisarf to be on fire, fire resistant.
* Further spells cast by Reisarf or nearby allied units will boost the clone's lifespan and grant them further power, abilities, properties, at the cost of lowering the casters' mana efficiency. These have diminishing returns, as each new spell grants logarithmic power increases. However, 2-3 spells is enough to empower the clone to optimal strength, akin to the general average of the spellcasters' levels.
* Reisarf clones are unstable; they die within minutes and can only be reasonably sustained for up to a few hours. When the Reisarf clone dies, their memories are stored in the Respawn Chamber and will merge with the original branch of Reisarf the next time s/he dies.
* Reisarf clone is typically the opposite sex of whatever Reisarf's current sex is.
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No. 1089445 ID: 486840

>>1089439

Phew, okay, first things first, have reisarf take a deep breath and stop trying to remember what they did, because they havent decided yet. After that we we can draw and what they WOULD have done, and have possibility become certainty.

Trace Melding seems like the best choice all around, and very in-line with things Reisarf tends to do.
Lets keep away from experimenting with causality in general for the near future.
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No. 1089447 ID: 273c18

Oh I got confused, Reisarf is a boy now.
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No. 1089448 ID: 031458

Wait...
When did Reisarf get glasses?
Also, she can't remember much...
Is that Reisarf or his duplicate?
Where's the other Reisarf?
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No. 1089449 ID: a7a180

Aw, he lost all those abilities? But I gotta admit, two Reisarfs is pretty terrific.
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No. 1089450 ID: 80c73b

I don't know how they'd use Secondary Reisarf. I'm not sure what it really DOES, and seems potentially...concerning? Potentially, disturbing, to experience? Trace Melding sounds useful.
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No. 1089451 ID: 7c7c35

Mana ogreload does replace some of those lost abilities, and a double jump sounds nice. I wonder what he’d copy off you.
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No. 1089452 ID: 99f29a

Secondary Reisarf (Secondary Storage) all the way! Look, the only way to be sure Reisarf is keeping safe is to have another Reisarf keep an eye on him. They can take care of each other.

>>1089450
Putting Reisarf in concerning and disturbing situations is enrichment.
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No. 1089457 ID: e1a09b

Secondary Reisarf?

His Own Clone? Now neither of them- nevermind. I'm choosing that one.
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No. 1089463 ID: 5648a5

>Olan's visit
Speaking of which, don't you have Stargazer's body dungeon that you need to clean up? I'm sure that would look very tacky and you don't want Olan to see that!
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No. 1089468 ID: 014c98

>>1089439

You've hit them with the proverbial stick quite a bit. Would not be bad to dial the harshness down a bit and reassure them. They've been wanting to impress you, and they've shown they can do impressive things. But you want them to be able to recognize their limits and when to dial things back, for their safety and others.


For the power, Trace Molding seems a good fit for Reisarfs variable powerset.

Also one Reisarf is a handful, two will be even more so.
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No. 1089475 ID: 5b2941

>>1089440
>LEAST disruptive
You know, I'm not so sure about that. Choosing the conservative option has consistently landed us in hot water, maybe we need to learn to stop doing that.

>>1089468
Fucking hell, no. This is our problem, we literally punished them for all of one minute and we already have someone calling for easing up, we're too soft. This is why everyone keeps going off the rails.
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No. 1089499 ID: 5ebd37

Trace Melding seems the most versatile option

One Reisarf is enough
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No. 1089506 ID: a7a180

>>1089468
We have not even swung the proverbial stick yet. What Deem's laid out is a fair prescription that ends once Stargazer is freed.
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No. 1089507 ID: e1a09b

>>1089475
Agreed. No going soft.
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No. 1089524 ID: 5648a5

>>1089468
>ease up on them.
NO.

This is a punishment, they are meant to be punished. Do not go soft and start coddling them again, otherwise they'll never learn their lesson.
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>Hold on, explain something to me. What exactly caused reality to reject Reisarf's spell? What was wrong with it?
Which spell? That's the problem. There's so many things Reisarf could have done, and so many ways it could have gone, that he wasn't able to contain it.

>Damn, there's this much wrong with her despite taking the LEAST disruptive option?
Why would you think this was the least disruptive option? Such a recent change made it the easier to track what had changed, certainly, but there's barely any weight of following events to stop the ends of Reisarf's chain of causality from flapping around like this.

>Trace Melding seems like the best choice all around, and very in-line with things Reisarf tends to do.
>This looks like it has the best potential to make Reisarf into some kind of weird creature.
>Aw, he lost all those abilities? But I gotta admit, two Reisarfs is pretty terrific.
>The only way to be sure Reisarf is keeping safe is to have another Reisarf keep an eye on him. They can take care of each other.
Hmm..

>I don't suppose we could lean into the paradox a little and get both?
"Let me show you how vast the world is." I say. I put my hands on Reisarf's shoulders to steady him. "You did both."

"But there wasn't time-"

"You did both of those things." I repeat.

>Putting Reisarf in concerning and disturbing situations is enrichment.
Reisarf's concerned expression gradually clears as he makes a face like someone probing a space where there might be a missing tooth.

"Deem, you're amazing!" he says.

"I am aware." I say. I look between him and Stargazer. "You two have had a very long and confusing night. You should get to bed."

>Also it sounds like Reisarf is attached to being female now? Before, she seemed ambivalent about it.
"Wait, before you go, why were you so concerned about my joke, Reisarf?"

"Oh, um I know you've been putting a lot of effort into getting everyone ready for the visit and I don't want to let you down!"

I pause for a moment to process this. "Reisarf, I'm not making a girls-only dungeon."

"Ooooh." Reisarf says, in a tone that suggests he doesn't get it at all. This is followed by a jaw-cracking yawn so I send him and Stargazer to bed.

>When did Reisarf get glasses?
Shortly after defeating the devil bear, I discovered Reisarf has poor eyesight and had them made. He keeps forgetting to wear them.

>Is that Reisarf or his duplicate?
>Where's the other Reisarf?
Probably still out on the monster collection trip.

>Mana ogreload does replace some of those lost abilities, and a double jump sounds nice. I wonder what he’d copy off you.
Nothing for the moment, because he's not using any spells without permission until I unseal Stargazer.

>You only broke part of it. 1/4th of it, by a surface examination. You can almost think about it now!
What are you babbling about? Stop wasting my time. I'm not going to keep bumbling around in whatever conversational maze this is for your entertainment.

>Out of curiosity, how would one go about killing the sky?
With carefully forged arrows. And sharp, sharp knives.

Cowards, all of them.
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>Speaking of which, don't you have Stargazer's body dungeon that you need to clean up?
No.

I sealed that.

I do have the mess she made of the Thaumatorium to clean up though. I step through, and find my hammerai is back to her senses. At the far end of the room, the shadow slick slime squawks and dives back into its shadow. I think it'll be a while before that slime forgives me.

"Deem." Moriko says awkwardly. "You shrank?"

"You got bigger?" I say.

"Mow!" the imp holds up its potion-enchanted hands triumphantly.

"Ah, good work." I tell the imp. Once again she's surprisingly disciplined, managing to stay with Moriko through the chaos of that fight. "And good work to you as well." I say to Moriko, who is looking at me regretfully.

"I tried to attack you!" she protests.

"Because of an attack that hit your biggest vulnerability." I remind her. "And yet you still broke free of it. So again, good work Moriko. If you hadn't kept Stargazer tied up, this could have been worse."

I explain what happened as Moriko stays with me to help start clearing the wreckage. The pool is mostly drained and choked with rubble from broken platforms and some of Stargazer's former contents. We leave the slimes where they lay, so they'd still completely drained of energy. She works until the potion wears off and then I send her get some rest too.

Gained Overlapple Harvest. This is a lot of fruit, and the fruit is bigger on the inside. I might have to make preserves.
Gained Rockfruit Scree. A plant that grows rocks is a lovely aesthetic, although I'm still not sure what to use them for.
Gained Bombed Flowers. Plucking the bombs off the plants armed them... Thankfully they don't seem to have caused too much additional damage. I'll have to get some slimes go through the Thaumatorium to gather up seeds.
Gained Sap Bomb Arsenal. These explode on impact, so only some have been set off. They need careful handling to move.
Gained Kindly Mushroom Troop. A plentiful supply of mushroom caps useful for potion brewing.
Gained Seenut Audience. A swarm of monster nuts. Moriko has slain the ripe ones already.
Gained Mixed Plants. I need to sort through and replant all these. I think I have the originals Stargazer stole back at least.
Gained Gazerspawn Skin. Torn off flaps of Stargazer's shapeshifting skin.
Gained Alien Lard. It's functionally equivalent to Alien Jelly, but fattier.

Stargazer must have taken some injuries from rubbing against the Thaumatorium's fixtures. There's undoubtedly some of the liquid corruption staining what little water is left in the Thaumatorium's pool but the slimes and Kindly Mushrooms bobbing around in it should be detoxifying it. I'll have to refill it but thankfully I already have a number of denizens I was planning to punish by making them haul water.
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Merud visits the Thaumatorium in the morning with two cups of cacoffee, one for me.

I have been wanting to have more talks about golemetry with him and this is an excellent chance for a hands-on demonstration. I don't think the magic tweaks in the Thaumatorium have felt particularly impactful, so I'm going to take the opportunity to rebuild them to be more focused. One or two simplified magic core golems should be effective sentries: essentially a trap that can repeatedly cast a single spell at invaders. They should hopefully be good training targets too.

They'll only have a single spell - the same spell if we build more than one - they won't even be able to move from where I place them unless we put some effort into making them able to hop. My golem body's Rote Spells are too complex, but the less energetic of Reisarf's attacks, his curses, or his spatial spells might be a candidate. Merud's Improvised Construct might be useful too. If we don't have an existing option that's a good match we can work out a simple spell to build into them.

Merud mentions he has a design which may allow a golem to repeatedly cast a spell based on a potion stored within the golem too.

The function of these golems is essentially harassment. They should be an extra factor for an invader to worry about either because they're launching attacks, making the arena more hazardous, weakening the invader, or strengthening my other denizens. We need to decide what they role will be and an appropriate spell that will help them achieve it.

Finally it'll be more like a statue or oversized game piece than a fully functional golem so what would be an appropriate aesthetic for it?
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No. 1089627 ID: 99f29a

Platonic solids to keep some simplistic menace. Artistic nudes to mix in distraction with the harassment and maybe garner some rightful admiration. Dragons to give Chakarchelou a catalog to aspire to and to enjoy the classic. Animated weaponry to make the harassment a little more efficient.
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No. 1089629 ID: 1effd3

>>1089626
make the golem literally a fake supporting pillar. no one expects the supporting pillars!
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No. 1089634 ID: 8f9bc4

>>1089629

Supporting pillars that regenerate the boss are a classic. Assuming you want your dungeon to collapse once the boss is defeated, that is.
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No. 1089637 ID: a7a180

A curse of formlessness would be a good thing to zap thaumatorium-goers with because it'd make them more likely to fall into the water. I would model it after Alkaline the slime queen, then, as a hint to adventurers who haven't braved the slime lair yet and to interconnect the rooms a bit more.

Improvised construct is also a solid candidate for a weak mob spawner. This one could resemble Merud or Hin, or perhaps a scary poltergeist like what might be responsible for random objects in the room suddenly animating and becoming hostile. You don't even need a real ghost, the rumors of one will add to the intrigue!
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No. 1089639 ID: a7a180

Loot ideas:
Overlapple: Excellent preserves and compact food reserves. I feel like it'd go great in a pie.
Rockfruit: Building material stockpile, naturally replenishing falling rock traps, this plant is a great labor saver
Bombflowers and sap bombs are obvious.
Seenuts will be great to plant around the garden.
Shapeshifting skin would make for some very interesting outfits, I bet, particularly for denizens prone to sudden changes in shape and size. Though luckily, reinforcement magic seems to always affect people's clothes. Maybe mixing it in a cloak with golemetry can provide some autonomous defenses instead.

Do Reisarf and his clone have to sleep at the same time to sync memories? The clone might feel less responsible for this paradox before they sync.
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No. 1089641 ID: eb0a9c

Have them act as mulligans. Load them up with paralysis potions and have them randomly cast at everything when they see a non-allied target, even themselves. That way, they'll end up developing randomized behaviors that you can capitalize and refine later on.
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No. 1089642 ID: 5ebd37

>I think it'll be a while before that slime forgives me.
I think you should be ready to get bonked in the head one of these days.

>>1089629
Support golems would be good, with a plantlike design, maybe flowered vines. The potion powered kind would be very good for adjusting to different adventurers on the fly, if you kept a stock of different potions on hand.
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No. 1089646 ID: 273c18

>>1089624
>both
NICE.
...why doesn't paradox manipulation count as a miracle? Are there known physical laws that allow it?

>>1089625
>Rockfruit
Yeah that really seems useless doesn't it? The rocks aren't even big enough to make a trap of some kind. Maybe we can mutate/crossbreed them to grow useful ore instead.

>reisarf copy
UHHHHH wait there's another Reisarf out on the trip? What's going to happen when they get back?

OH. I almost forgot, we need to cure Stargazer of her infestation. Which is now inside you. Is that convenient or inconvenient? Keep in mind all the scraps of eldritch flesh left over from the battle has potential to have parasites in it.

>>1089626
>golem harassment
Well Evil Eye seems the most obvious choice here. Spatial Extrusion could be very very annoying when used on/between the platforms they have to cross, as well! Curse of Formlessless has a critical success chance, how likely is it that the golems spamming that could land the slimification on an adventurer?
>aesthetic
Pillar with an eye on it?
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No. 1089664 ID: 80c73b

I'm imagining a handful of little golems scattered around, with thick hat/lids, that periodically pop out of holes or pots or st, and shoot some kind of minor damage at adventurers from behind. Like "Ow! What was that?" *looks around wildly* "Ow!" *hit from behind again*
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No. 1089668 ID: e1a09b

>>1089664
I like this a lot. Especially if you can make an arena covered with small domes. Some will be golems. Some won't.

So the golems will bounce up and down when tread on, unbalancing intruders. They'll cast a spacial spell to confuse them, too, when they're far away. Not a damaging attack - that's what other enemies are in the room for - just something to make moving around a chore. I don't have the full list on hand, sue me, but the gist is to make these speed bumps annoying little shits for a game of whack-a-mole that must be played while being attacked.

And for easy dungeon replays, the room layout can be shuffled about, too!

As for aesthetic, a domed hat hiding a spellcasting eye or smug smile should work just fine.
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No. 1089674 ID: 486840

>>1089625
>>Rockfruit
You can plant them in the ceilings and use them as a non-magical rockfall trap, or along walls to camouflage doors/openings/other traps. The nice part is they probably wont even register to adventurers who are looking for magical or mechanical stuff.
>>Alien Lard
Ooh, this should be really useful. We should save some for Doyle, but the rest we should render down into oil. So much we could make with some mana rich oil, even outside of cooking. I bet we could make some cool candles or torches that should be useful for the dungeon's Shadow theming. It could be used to make some resin and lacquer along with that bug we bought, for the golems and maybe items for treasure chests. If we have enough we could even use it as is to just make some oil slick traps, hopefully permanent ones.

Most of the plants in general seem like they'll end up being useful potion ingredients in any case.
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No. 1089675 ID: eb0a9c

>>1089646
Yay my idea got through
Basically, the universe itself caused a time paradox, which means you're not cheating with an improbable exploitable event because the GM explicitly told you that it happened.
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No. 1089713 ID: 031458

Honestly? I think something more mundane might be in order.

2 Turrets disguised as ornate fountains. Normally they passively swivel their heads left and right, from which a lovely stream of water pours out, gently agitating the pool. Once the fighting starts though, they track enemies. At some random point when the invaders least expect it, they begin firing constant high speed streams of pressurized water at our foes.
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No. 1089740 ID: 2409f2

I don't know if I'd really want rotating faces, that's getting into chintzy territory, and will likely be defaced (anything with that much magical automation is bound to be dangerous from an adventurers perspective).

But maybe carved reliefs in support pillars, or other vine covered statues in recesses in the walls. Something tastefully ancient greek.
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No. 1089742 ID: 56db77

>>1089740
Ohh make what appear to be vine covered statues but are actually plant/golem hybrids that will act like part of the decor until an opportune moment to trip someone up presents itself
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No. 1089747 ID: 486840

>>108974
I was thinking as an alternate idea, we could try Merud's potion-golem idea, and make one based on the fertilizing sap, and have golems that can super grow the plants in the room.
So we could then either put a woody golem in here, or some of the more offensive plants like the bombs or the nuts, and then plant something obstructive on the platforms so that they have to use them before the golems cover them in overgrowth that makes them difficult or annoying to jump on to.
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No. 1089980 ID: 937ec0
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1089980

>UHHHHH wait there's another Reisarf out on the trip? What's going to happen when they get back?
I will have two Reisarfs.

>...why doesn't paradox manipulation count as a miracle?
Chronomancers are real and very annoying. Travel back in time IS impossible, but there are some very convincing imitations. It's pitiful really, trying to wind back the clock rather than actually fix the consequences.

>I think you should be ready to get bonked in the head one of these days.
Nonsense, I won't let that slime have the last word. Whatever it throws at me, I am going to catch it.

>I almost forgot, we need to cure Stargazer of her infestation. Which is now inside you. Is that convenient or inconvenient? Keep in mind all the scraps of eldritch flesh left over from the battle has potential to have parasites in it.
Nothing inside Stargazer is getting out until I release the seal. I have golems probe the leftovers and we do find one outsized gristleworm and dispatch it. We also retrieve Stargazer's weird egg sac from behind some rubble.

Gained Jumbo Gristleworm Carcass. This might be big enough to function as a worthwhile catalyst.
Gained Gazeggs. These were supposed to make those who consume them mimic my state, but Stargazer made so many copies of copies they're thoroughly degraded and contaminated by her.

>>Rockfruit
>Yeah that really seems useless doesn't it? The rocks aren't even big enough to make a trap of some kind.
>Building material stockpile, naturally replenishing falling rock traps, this plant is a great labor saver
I have plent of stone, but they're interesting to look at at least. Perhaps they'll be most useful once they grow some more.

>Maybe we can mutate/crossbreed them to grow useful ore instead.
It's very likely they're derived from the copper oreberry bush which I already have.

>>Alien Lard
>So much we could make with some mana rich oil, even outside of cooking. I bet we could make some cool candles or torches that should be useful for the dungeon's Shadow theming. It could be used to make some resin and lacquer along with that bug we bought, for the golems and maybe items for treasure chests.
Alkaline's already able to make low quality oil, but it might certainly have some interesting crafting uses.

>Seenuts will be great to plant around the garden.
Doubt they have the brains to not attack my other denizens. Eventually I might be able to find an out of the way spot for them.

>Shapeshifting skin would make for some very interesting outfits, I bet, particularly for denizens prone to sudden changes in shape and size.

>Supporting pillars that regenerate the boss are a classic.
>Make an arena covered with small domes. Some will be golems. Some won't.
>We could try Merud's potion-golem idea, and make one based on the fertilizing sap, and have golems that can super grow the plants in the room. Plant something obstructive on the platforms so that they have to use them before the golems cover them in overgrowth that makes them difficult or annoying to jump on to.
>Turrets disguised as ornate fountains. At some random point when the invaders least expect it, they begin firing constant high speed streams of pressurized water at our foes.
I enjoy your enthusiasm but I'm constrained by the Thaumatorium being mostly pool with some stepping stones, which constrains what I can easily fit in with a quick remodelling during the repairs.

These could be very effective in other rooms though. Particularly if Merud and I work on the Golem Totem again to make another golem type easier to build en masse.

>The potion powered kind would be very good for adjusting to different adventurers on the fly
The versatility is limited though, since I don't have any good offensive recipes at the moment.

>A curse of formlessness would be a good thing to zap thaumatorium-goers with because it'd make them more likely to fall into the water
>Spatial Extrusion could be very very annoying when used on/between the platforms they have to cross, as well!
I think the spatial spell will be the better pick: It'll be more tolerant of imperfections in the bare bones materials we're using since it doesn't need to be formed such that it can penetrate an enemy's defences and cling to them.

>A plantlike design, maybe flowered vines.
>Platonic solids to keep some simplistic menace. Artistic nudes to mix in distraction with the harassment and maybe garner some rightful admiration. Dragons to give Chakarchelou a catalog to aspire to and to enjoy the classic. Animated weaponry to make the harassment a little more efficient.
Space, space... some simple platonic shape might be the best, to ensure they're durable. Or perhaps...

>I'm imagining a handful of little golems scattered around, with thick hat/lids, that periodically pop out of holes or pots.
Ah the perfect defence: a sturdy hat.

Merud and I run into a number of complications in converting Spatial Extrusion into a simplified form that will map to a magic core golem, even with Reisarf's help. It'll have to be a sustained spell, unlike Reisarf's ability to drop them down and forget about them. The plus side is this allows some creativity in suddenly withdrawing a Spatial Extrusion to disorient an invader.

The pop up design causes some problems as well, since it won't be able to withdraw while maintaining the spell. Merud has the idea of making the golem extrudes parts of itself to provide an better anchor point for the spell and speed up casting. This has the plus side of physically reinforcing the golem while the spell is active. While attacking it will force it to drop the spell, it will take much less damage than it otherwise would and will have the chance to withdraw again using its head piece as a practically unbreakable shell.

With a first pass of these new golems' design made, I have some time to talk to Merud about his other projects. The mutlti-cored golems and some of our talks on more distributed functionality have lit a fire in him. He has been working on some golem organs to enhance specific attributes of the golem they're installed in, and would like to trial them out.

He describes his three most polished ideas to me:

Goo Gullet (test version): "This is a proof of concept for an inexpensive mana supply for an autonomous homunculus. Droplets of raw mana are introduced from a reservoir into a sealed chamber to react with orange goo. Per Reisarf's notes, the activated curse-matter will fail to curse anything and decay back into a larger amount of orange goo. The excess is drained and digested by the golem as fuel. This may need other improvements to the golem's digestive tract to be worthwhile. And, of course, raw mana is hard to come by outside of your dungeon."

2 Dose Serum Gland (rework 2 v0.5): "The prototype I mentioned for a reusable potion. The golem should be able to trigger a dose the potion's effect on demand, and replenish the potion fluid over time. It might require consumption of some of the ingredients however."

Idolatrous Liver (Lauded Liver?) v0.1: "This is purely curiosity about how your False Idol functioned, in particular how acts of devotion create a bidirectional enhancement effect between yourself and others. It uses clay from the sample you provided. I think if implanted directly into yourself or into an attendant golem this would possibly allow you to gradually 'save up' a trigger of the idol transformation through appropriate acts, or it might allow a modified golem servant to direct a flow of low level reinforcement magic towards the individual it's serving. It might also allow a golem to undergo an idol transformation directly, but I think it's unlikely. Unfortunately the sample is contaminated by the curse you acquired in the Orange Crags, which may reduce effectiveness."

"What's with these names, Merud?" I say.

"They're works in progress!"

Which of these should we go ahead with testing? And on which golems? There's my golem body, the puppet Stargazer is using, various homunculi, the brute golems, the woody brute, the garden homunculus, the mud-and-stick golem, the cauldron golem, Merud's golem horses, Pancake, and Centaur.
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No. 1089981 ID: e1a09b

>>1089980
Love the hat golems. Note that with a little work their hats could disguise as decorative urns.

Why not put the serum gland thing into the cauldron golem? Seems like an easy synergy, right?
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No. 1089982 ID: 273c18

>>1089980
>I will have two Reisarfs.
Two... fully formed Reisarfs? How is that going to interact with the resurrection chamber? Will the second Reisarf have a second Stargazer?
Will there be any problems if they interact?

>Gazeggs
Wait, are those going to make the consumer imitate Stargazer now? I wonder if Reisarf will be interested in that...

>Seenuts too dumb to recognize allies
Hmm. Well, if the nuts ripen even after detaching from the plant, we can store almost-ripened nuts in sealed alcoves or ceiling hatches and release them upon invaders.

>test?
Test the one that's in test version, Goo Gullet. This is just how R&D works, you don't test things before they're ready to be tested.
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No. 1089983 ID: 273c18

Oh, and put the gullet in the woody brute I guess. Optimally it's going to be used in a golem that will be the last one to fall in a fight, so that the gullet releases curses as it breaks!
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No. 1089984 ID: 9b82e0

Test the goo gullet on Centaur and the lauded liver on the woody brute.
The serum gland would be fit for the garden homunculus, perhaps she could grow her own ingredients?
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No. 1089987 ID: 12b116

>>1089981
I like this idea, can have the hat golems double as an urn with the serum gland in one of theme?
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No. 1089995 ID: 1effd3

>test
lets go ahead with testing goo gullet. also if we make too much cursed goo, we could use it as a curse trap if it overflows
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No. 1089999 ID: 5b2941

>>1089980
>Gazeggs
Careful now, you don't want those to hatch into gazebos.

>Unfortunately the sample is contaminated by the curse you acquired in the Orange Crags
Well, that's simple to fix. You could just give him a new uncontaminated sample now, can't you?
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No. 1090000 ID: e05c89

>>1089980

With the seednuts, we could probably use golems as simple friend/foe identification I think? Open up and aim the plant at foes while sealing up or otherwise directing aim away from allies.

For the organs...

The gullet feels like it could be useful for increasing the range of our operations, but their fuel being rare outside of our base will put a dampner on that. Could be good with the horse golems, but I feel like we'd need a solid supply of mana before testing that wouldn't risk us.

The serum option could do massive for our in-house potion supply, potentionally letting us start focusing on potions as products a bit more. Could be good with the more nimble homunculi as the delivery systems.

As for the liver, that could potentially let us store "charges" of the False Idol while it's active. This could give you the breathing room to engage in combat if needed without disrupting things too much. If you're willing to divest some fresh clay, we could have a cleaner sample to work with. As for the golem there, I'd say the Wood Brute for elemental compatibility.

For which to pursue, I lean for either the Serum or the Liver
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No. 1090015 ID: 80c73b

>>1089999
>Gazebos
Agreed; such monsters may be beyond even our control.
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No. 1090021 ID: a7a180

Let's work on two of them so even if one fails we still have one success. Or, if they both fail, we learn twice as much. Centaur has an advanced and not quite fully understood digestive system, she would be a very interesting testbed for the goo gut! (And since you're the only source of raw mana, cutting off the supply would be a failsafe against a golem gone rogue.)
Implant the lauded liver in the stick and mud golem, the reinforcement will be the most dramatic on her.
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No. 1090099 ID: 031458

Those Hat Golems are ADORABLE!

*Ahem*

I think the autonomous golem idea is the best bet right now.

I'm willing to bet you could combine the gazeggs and the orange goo to further draw out their replication abilities. Since raw mana is indeed scarce outside the dungeon, this more efficient "Golem Fuel" could help reduce the amount needed.
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